The Right & Racism Myth

[Luis Gonzalez]

A little historical perspective on the subject:

I am perfectly of your mind, that measures of great Temper are necessary with the Germans: and am not without Apprehensions, that thro' their indiscretion or Ours, or both, great disorders and inconveniences may one day arise among us; Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation, and as Ignorance is often attended with Credulity when Knavery would mislead it, and with Suspicion when Honesty would set it right; and as few of the English understand the German Language, and so cannot address them either from the Press or Pulpit, 'tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they once entertain. Their own Clergy have very little influence over the people; who seem to take an uncommon pleasure in abusing and discharging the Minister on every trivial occasion. Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it; and as Kolben says of the young Hottentots, that they are not esteemed men till they have shewn their manhood by beating their mothers, so these seem to think themselves not free, till they can feel their liberty in abusing and insulting their Teachers. Thus they are under no restraint of Ecclesiastical Government; They behave, however, submissively enough at present to the Civil Government which I wish they may continue to do: For I remember when they modestly declined intermeddling in our Elections, but now they come in droves, and carry all before them, except in one or two Counties; Few of their children in the Country learn English; they import many Books from Germany; and of the six printing houses in the Province, two are entirely German, two half German half English, and but two entirely English; They have one German News-paper, and one half German. Advertisements intended to be general are now printed in Dutch and English; the Signs in our Streets have inscriptions in both languages, and in some places only German: They begin of late to make all their Bonds nad other legal Writings in their own Language, which (though I think it ought not to be) are allowed good in our Courts, where the German Business so encreases that there is continual need of Interpreters; and I suppose in a few years they will be also necessary in the Assembly, to tell one half of our Legislators what the other half say; In short unless the stream of their importation could be turned from this to other colonies, as you very judiciously propose, they will soon so out number us, that all the advantages we have will not in My Opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our Government will become precarious.

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[aligncare]

Let's however, get to the crux of the situation.....

I just had to stop what I was doing and give you props for that post, Luis.  I agree in toto with your analysis. 

As an aside, I would also offer that Nixon was no friend of conservatives in other ways as well.  Such as by overseeing the expansion of government when he proposed and instituted a brand new department, the accursed EPA--personally my favorite agency to hate.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I just had to stop what I was doing and give you props for that post, Luis.  I agree in toto with your analysis. 

As an aside, I would also offer that Nixon was no friend of conservatives in other ways as well.  Such as by overseeing the expansion of government when he proposed and instituted a brand new department, the accursed EPA--personally my favorite agency to hate.

Thanks.

[famousdayandyear]

Obviously, having seen my name, your immediate reaction will be "well, you are!", and you'd you'd be wrong.

I apologize for my "gang up" post.  What I was doing, ill-advisedly, was responding to a series of posts that did not seem to me to address the "crux" of my point--that we seem to be allowing the left to define the message and their particular interpretation of the law.

I can't say the above quote was directed to me personally or not.  I pray not due to the simple reason that I am too busy surviving while trying to save our great country.  I don't give a **** what your (or anybody else's) name is.  Especially on the inter-tubes.  The term hispanic I used is also ill chosen; I was trying to describe the flood of people coming in at our Southern borders--among them people who want to do us harm.   

So after I post my mea culpa, I have a worm to eat.

[DCPatriot]

I apologize for my "gang up" post.  What I was doing, ill-advisedly, was responding to a series of posts that did not seem to me to address the "crux" of my point--that we seem to be allowing the left to define the message and their particular interpretation of the law.

I can't say the above quote was directed to me personally or not.  I pray not due to the simple reason that I am too busy surviving while trying to save our great country.  I don't give a **** what your (or anybody else's) name is.  Especially on the inter-tubes.  The term hispanic I used is also ill chosen; I was trying to describe the flood of people coming in at our Southern borders--among them people who want to do us harm.   

So after I post my mea culpa, I have a worm to eat.

I'm very happy you took the time to post this one, famous!

It's no fun at all conversing with like-minded people on these forums all the time.  It's much better when a disagreement can be discussed....well, in the manner this one was handled.

It's one the great things about the Briefing Room.   We are adults enough to moderate ourselves.....most of the time.  LOL!

[mystery-ak]

So after I post my mea culpa, I have a worm to eat.

Nah...that's not needed....besides it's yucky...

[mystery-ak]

We are adults enough to moderate ourselves.....most of the time.  LOL!

Exactly right......

[truth_seeker]

Remarks from Orange County California, a few miles from Santa Ana, which has one of the highet percentages of population that self-identify "hispanic."

There is plenty to observe, criticize, understand and misunderstand on BOTH sides of this issue.

The left/hispanic activists make false claims about segregated schools.  I have photos of my Mother in elementary school in LA County, the 1930s with 1/3 of the students obviously being hispanic.

(They may have been segregated somewhere else, but NOT in the greater Lost Angeles/Orange County metro area)

On the other side, some bad actors on the political "right" have made nasty remarks about hispanics, and the hispanics HAVE matched the remarks with the political identity.

My cousin-in-law, hispanic family dating to early 1800s in Calif., very conservative, reminds me how it frustrates him when GOPer sounds off in racist ways.

Like it or not, it is not just what is said, but how it is said.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I apologize for my "gang up" post.  What I was doing, ill-advisedly, was responding to a series of posts that did not seem to me to address the "crux" of my point--that we seem to be allowing the left to define the message and their particular interpretation of the law.

I can't say the above quote was directed to me personally or not.  I pray not due to the simple reason that I am too busy surviving while trying to save our great country.  I don't give a **** what your (or anybody else's) name is.  Especially on the inter-tubes.  The term hispanic I used is also ill chosen; I was trying to describe the flood of people coming in at our Southern borders--among them people who want to do us harm.   

So after I post my mea culpa, I have a worm to eat.

Well, if you MUST eat a worm, then let it marinade in mescal before you do.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I apologize for my "gang up" post.  What I was doing, ill-advisedly, was responding to a series of posts that did not seem to me to address the "crux" of my point--that we seem to be allowing the left to define the message and their particular interpretation of the law.

I can't say the above quote was directed to me personally or not.  I pray not due to the simple reason that I am too busy surviving while trying to save our great country.  I don't give a **** what your (or anybody else's) name is.  Especially on the inter-tubes.  The term hispanic I used is also ill chosen; I was trying to describe the flood of people coming in at our Southern borders--among them people who want to do us harm.   

So after I post my mea culpa, I have a worm to eat.

By the way, somewhere in my overtly verbose post, you may find that I am actually in agreement with you...a different point of view perhaps, but an agreement nevertheless.

By conflating the terms immigration and illegal immigration, then lumping such staunch Conservative groups as Cubans, Venezuelans, and Colombians under that Hispanic umbrella in with Mexicans, the left brings chaos and dissent into the conversation.

If asked, most Americans would oppose illegal migration. If asked, most Americans would support legal (meaning controlled) immigration.

If asked, most Americans would confirm that they know that the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens in the US are Mexican nationals.

Semantics.

[famousdayandyear]

Well, if you MUST eat a worm, then let it marinade in mescal before you do.

The best bestest idea!   howlin howlin howlin

[Oceander]

Actually, I thought your little list was yet another bloviating skipover.   

I didn't think you really wanted to deal with the substantive stuff.

[Lipstick on a Hillary]

Oceander, there are a lot of new people here.  Don't you need to busy yourself with informing them all that you're a lawyer?   

[aligncare]

Okay you two, separate corners, right this minute!  Don't let me get the strap now!  Jeez, I come back from visiting Nana a few hours just to find you pulling each others hair!  Wait till your father gets home.   

[Oceander]

Oceander, there are a lot of new people here.  Don't you need to busy yourself with informing them all that you're a lawyer?   

Probably; I'm just too da&ned lazy. 

[olde north church]

Ganging up?

Overtly sensitive much?

Aligncare made some great points in that post.

Let's however, get to the crux of the situation.

What is a "Hispanic" anyway?

Obviously, having seen my name, your immediate reaction will be "well, you are!", and you'd you'd be wrong.

The problem with this topic starts at that word; Hispanic is a made up bulls#it term, that lumps a whole ton of people into one homogeneous group, then assigns to them a group think mentality, all based on the fact that the members of this group speak a common language.

Let's twist that around a bit, and see how that works out...

I am going to do what Nixon did in 1970, and invent a whole new ethnicity...I am calling it Anglocitian. This new ethnic group is made up of people who all share English as a common language in their place of birth.

Included in this group are people born in the following nations (the list is much longer):

• The United States
• Canada
• Australia
• The United Kingdom
• Gambia
• Belize
• Ghana
• Fiji
• Rwanda
• Jamaica
• The Philippines
• Zambia

Next, we're going to have a discussion on whether or not Angloticians think that blacks are discriminated against, and since they are all Angloticians, we are going to assume that they all think the same way about the subject.

See the point?

We don't have a problem with "Hispanics" in the US, we have a problem with that classification, and we have a problem with Mexico, because Mexican nationals are in the country illegally in large numbers.

I am not Hispanic, and I reject any generalized, group-think set of notions on how I think about anything...and so do most (if not all) non-Mexican people who happen to speak Spanish as a native language, and have migrated to the US.

Once we get that out of the way, and we stop assuming that all "Hispanics" think this way, or that way, and realize that our problem lies primarily with a nationality, not some BS ethnic group that never existed prior to the 1970 census, and should have never been created, then perhaps, the discussion on immigration wouldn't be so volatile.

When the Nixon administration created "Hispanics" and announced that they were the largest minority group in the US, they created a de facto enemy to the people of the United States...an invader of sorts, but most importantly, for the first time in the history of the nation, it made it impossible for a group of immigrants to assimilate.

It's not that Hispanics don't want to assimilate, it is that they are not allowed to assimilate. You cannot expect a group of immigrants to both assimilate and be called something other than Americans.

If someone migrates to the US from Ireland, and his children are born here, they are Americans. If someone migrated from Iceland, his US-born children are Americans. My children were born here, they don't speak a lick of Spanish, but they are forced to label themselves as Hispanics. So, while the last name Gonzalez is among the oldest last names to exist in that part of the North American continent known as the United States of America (the Gonzalez-Alvarez house is the oldest house in the oldest city in the US), all people who share that last name must label themselves as something other than American. If the descendants of the original family who built the Gonzalez-Alvarez house in the 1600s, still occupied that house, and still bore either Gonzalez or Alvarez as a last name, they'd be forced to identify themselves as Hispanics.

Absurd.

The problem lies with that word, get past it and then both the problem and the solution become evident.

P.S. The same applies to "Asian-Pacific Islander."

Then I would say it's up to members of the "Hispanic" group to say, "No more!".

[DCPatriot]

Well, if you MUST eat a worm, then let it marinade in mescal before you do.

That reminds me of Arnold Horschack...who died this week....who was asked by Mr. Kotter "What does it tell you when you see a dead worm in a shot of tequila?"

Arnold paused with his index finger on chin.....and blurted, "It means if you drink tequila, you'll never have worms!"

[Luis Gonzalez]

Then I would say it's up to members of the "Hispanic" group to say, "No more!".

Which is what I do, but here's the problem.

The vast majority of the people lumped under that label love the bennies they receive from the government, so they hang on to that classification for dear life.

So "Hispanics" won't go away, my kids may have to change their last name some day, and I will have to be OK with that.

[olde north church]

Which is what I do, but here's the problem.

The vast majority of the people lumped under that label love the bennies they receive from the government, so they hang on to that classification for dear life.

So "Hispanics" won't go away, my kids may have to change their last name some day, and I will have to be OK with that.

I went for the "soul of wit" on my original response but I was going to say why stop at Hispanics?  French, Italian and Romanian are also Latin by association, if not by blood, why are they somehow unworthy of handouts and set asides?

[Rapunzel]

Just as I suspected, once "registered" these new Obamacitizens will be eligible for free child care, foodstamps, section-8 housing and more... 

Speaking of this free child care thing.. it is currently a pet issue with me. My massage therapist has a son who married a Mexican girl who was going to college here on a green card.  They had a baby and divorced.  She now words for our local welfare agency and is re-married to a teacher at our local high school and has a second child.  She receives free child care for the little girl (through the state of AZ) and she uses ACCESS (AZ Medicaid) for her healthcare... now here is the kicker...  my friend's son works as a safety officer for a prison in NV and gets healthcare, he volunteered to place the little girl on his healthcare plan and the ex-wife refused saying she was happy using ACCESS for the little girl... so instead of the child's father paying the child's healthcare -- the citizens of Arizona are paying for her healthcare!  and, yes, it makes me angry.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I went for the "soul of wit" on my original response but I was going to say why stop at Hispanics?  French, Italian and Romanian are also Latin by association, if not by blood, why are they somehow unworthy of handouts and set asides?

Yeah! That's the ticket!

And my wife is Hispanic by...

Well, she just is.