NBC’s Soboroff: Mass Deportation Signs at RNC ‘Disturbing,’ ‘Unity Sort of Went out the Window’

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Or just simply cut off the freebies

Right now we’re incentivizing them to come over

The problem is that some of the freebies - like free education for the children of illegals - are protected by Supreme Court precedent.  Others are the policies of individual states, or federal legislation.

But absolutely nothing wrong with doing all that we can, as quickly as we can, to send the message that we don't want them here.  At least to discourage more from coming, and hopefully get some to leave.

What is needed are changes to asylum law.

And the other unfortunate reality is that it would take a lot of years to run through all the deportation hearings, and a lot of those judges might be inclined to let some of them stay.  But still everything that can be done should be done.

[GtHawk]

We may need younger workers. I'm not sure. But they should be herelegally whatever the case.

You just can't have a rational discussion with a supposedly rich socialist, they don't live in the real world with the rest of us. Whenever I read a post he made, because someone responded to it, my reaction is always

[The_Reader_David]

The problem with the framing of immigration is that the left insists on conflating illegal immigration, of which we should, ideally have none, and legal immigration, which should probably be opened up a bit.

Personally, I'd like to see a (1)"wall" (not necessarily an actual wall, there are high-tech ways of doing the same better), (2) deportations of almost all current illegal immigrants, starting with those who committed other crimes besides entering the US in violation of our laws, (3) really tough enforcement of laws against hiring those in the country illegally, (4) a "red card" amnesty for people who grew up in the US after having been brought here illegally by their parents -- like a green card, but no right to family reunification, and the only route to citizenship is honorable discharge from the US military, earning a post-bachelariate degree in a discipline for which the US is short, or (maybe) living in the US with no criminal convictions for 30 years plus the usual requirements for green-card holders -- (5) a guest-worker program so we can keep enough of the low-skilled economic migrants to not collapse any sectors of the economy, but know who's here and be able to keep out criminals, and (6) reforms of the H1-B visa program that (a) creates a rubutable presumption of unfair labor practices if a US citizen or permanent resident is replaced with an H1-B visa holder, the punishment for the business found to have engaged in said unfair labor practice being a ban on hiring any H1-B visa holders for ten years and two years severance pay to the unfairly dismissed citizen or permanent resident, (b) imposes tougher standards for showing that a job cannot be filled with an American, and (c) within the context of (a) and (b) an increase in the number of H1-B visas, (6) reform of the asylum process to streamline processing, and (7) an increase in the immigration quotas for legal immigration from all non-Muslim contries.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

To Democrats, "unity" means agreeing with them on substantive policy.

[banddag]

@banddag

Although I do agree with you that mass deportations are not going to happen and it’s  only just red meat for the base, you’re not defending Biden’s border policy, are you?

Not all there should be a wall. We need these young workers but they should be vetted first

[MeganC]

You just can't have a rational discussion with a supposedly rich socialist, they don't live in the real world with the rest of us. Whenever I read a post he made, because someone responded to it, my reaction is always

[LMAO]

Not all there should be a wall. We need these young workers but they should be vetted first

@banddag

Ok

Thanks for the reply

[LMAO]

The problem with the framing of immigration is that the left insists on conflating illegal immigration, of which we should, ideally have none, and legal immigration, which should probably be opened up a bit.

Any discussion of immigration with the left triggers cries of Xenophobia  from the left. It is not xenophobic to want a secure border

[The_Reader_David]

Any discussion of immigration with the left triggers cries of Xenophobia  from the left. It is not xenophobic to want a secure border

One of the many virtues of my version of comprehensive immigration reform as laid out in my first post:  it's really hard to frame it as xenophobic.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

One of the many virtues of my version of comprehensive immigration reform as laid out in my first post:  it's really hard to frame it as xenophobic.

I like all of your ideas, but to enforce them, you need to make some other changes.  One of which should be giving states the power to control their borders and eject border crossers.  Any actual border station manned by the federal government would obviously be an exception, but the states have to have the power to secure the border if the Feds can't or won't.

[jafo2010]

Trump should close the border and tell Congress, until you reform immigration, the border will remain closed.  Of course that is wishful thinking on my part, because he has to get elected, and I am not hopeful because of the fixed election routine, which no one wants to recognize as reality.

[MeganC]

We don't need to close the border. We need to impose tariffs on Mexico until such time that they secure their side of the border.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Why would anyone possibly rationalize a lack of 'Unity' for invaders from other countries?

You repel invaders, not embrace them.

What type of weirdo writes such nonsense?

[DefiantMassRINO]

The Romans expressed unity with the Goths; look what that got them.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I like all of your ideas, but to enforce them, you need to make some other changes.  One of which should be giving states the power to control their borders and eject border crossers.  Any actual border station manned by the federal government would obviously be an exception, but the states have to have the power to secure the border if the Feds can't or won't.

States already have that power,  as per Article I, section 10 of the Constitution. They just choose not to enforce it,

In my state, I do not go to the federal government for protection from illegals that commit crimes, I demand protection by my state authorities.

One is naïve and compliant if you simply wait for the feds to control your borders, and ultimately you will be terminated.

That is the reason the sovereign states wrote Art I Sec 10 the way they did, as in no way, shape or form did a state give up its sovereign right to protect its borders when invaded.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Congress needs to hurt Biden bureaucracy where it hurts them the most ... their headcounts and their budgets.

Why fund Executive enforcement agencies that are not enforcing Federal Law?

no enforcement = no funding
reduced headcount = reduced funding

[MeganC]

The Romans expressed unity with the Goths; look what that got them.

What we need now is the kind of unity the Romans expressed with the Carthaginians.