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Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
By Joseph Choi - 05/16/21 11:43 AM EDT


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Anthony Fauci, chief medical advisor to President Biden, said during a discussion on Sunday about the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) decision to drop mask recommendations for fully vaccinated individuals that vaccinated people become "dead ends" for COVID-19.

Appearing on CBS's "Face the Nation," Fauci explained to host John Dickerson that fully vaccinated people can go without masks, even if they have an asymptomatic case of COVID-19, because the level of virus is much lower in their nasopharynx, the top part of their throat that lies behind the nose, than someone who is unvaccinated.

"So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible — but very, very low likelihood that they're going to transmit it," Fauci said.

Fauci added that vaccinated people essentially become "dead ends" for the virus to spread within their communities.

"When you get vaccinated you not only protect your own health and that of the family, but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community," Fauci said. "In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that's when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community."

Fauci said he hoped that the CDC's relaxation of mask guidelines encouraged those who have yet to be vaccinated to go and get a shot.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2021, 01:34:51 PM »
I was going to comment to the effect that Fauci's analogy is talking down to people, but given MSM "reporters"' intelligence dearth, maybe they'll understand the dumb analogy.

He could have pointed out that all the vaccines in use in the US attack the SARS-CoC2 virus' spikes, preventing the viruses from replicating. He also might have pointed out that a vaccinated person whose system prevented infection could still test positive, because the PCR test cannot discern a live virus from a fragment of a dead virus.
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2021, 01:48:23 PM »
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"So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible — but very, very low likelihood that they're going to transmit it," Fauci said.

Fauci is essentially admitting that the vaccine does not block the virus from remaining inside a vaccinated person's body indefinitely since the person's ability to create antibodies against the virus itself has been blocked.
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2021, 04:02:04 PM »
Fauci is essentially admitting that the vaccine does not block the virus from remaining inside a vaccinated person's body indefinitely since the person's ability to create antibodies against the virus itself has been blocked.

How has the natural ability of the body to create antibodies been blocked?

Many people get lots of different vaccines.  They don't stop the body from producing antibodies.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2021, 04:08:04 PM »
How has the natural ability of the body to create antibodies been blocked?

Many people get lots of different vaccines.  They don't stop the body from producing antibodies.

They (except J&J) cause the body to create antibodies against the protein spikes.  But antibodies against the virus itself is another matter.
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2021, 04:40:43 PM »
Probably not the best of vernaculars.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2021, 07:22:57 AM »
They (except J&J) cause the body to create antibodies against the protein spikes.  But antibodies against the virus itself is another matter.

It does not stop the body from producing.

It does (for ~95%) stop the NEED to produce the the antibodies because the body is not infected with the virus.  The ability has not been blocked as you claimed.

Fauci is essentially admitting that the vaccine does not block the virus from remaining inside a vaccinated person's body indefinitely since the person's ability to create antibodies against the virus itself has been blocked.

The virus is not immortal.  It eventually dies when it cannot get inside the cells to reproduce.
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2021, 07:44:41 AM »
Do viruses die?

"Strictly speaking, viruses can’t die, for the simple reason that they aren’t alive in the first place"

....how long viruses can remain viable and capable of infection. Some – including the influenza virus, and HIV, the virus responsible for AIDS – can’t survive for more than a few hours outside a host organism...

...the deadly smallpox virus, can easily remain infectious for years....

https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/do-viruses-die/

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2021, 07:50:10 AM »
Do viruses die?

"Strictly speaking, viruses can’t die, for the simple reason that they aren’t alive in the first place"

....how long viruses can remain viable and capable of infection. Some – including the influenza virus, and HIV, the virus responsible for AIDS – can’t survive for more than a few hours outside a host organism...

...the deadly smallpox virus, can easily remain infectious for years....

https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/do-viruses-die/

Fair enough, live and die are not accurate description of a virus.

But a virus that cannot reproduce is not infectious.
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2021, 08:06:03 AM »
If the goverment really wants to vaccinate the  population skeptics, they'd muzzle this little syringe gnome who has told more lies than Pinocchio the last year.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2021, 08:10:07 AM »
Fair enough, live and die are not accurate description of a virus.

But a virus that cannot reproduce is not infectious.

A virus that may not be able to reproduce in one body is still capable of infecting (and reproducing in) another.
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2021, 08:54:49 AM »
If the goverment really wants to vaccinate the  population skeptics, they'd muzzle this little syringe gnome who has told more lies than Pinocchio the last year.
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Dr. Anthony Fauci has been the leader of the federal government’s politically based responses to Covid-19 since day one of the pandemic.  The director since 1984 of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, he now serves as President Biden’s leading advisor on the issue. Last year, Fauci repeatedly undercut President Trump when he was working for the 45th president. And now he’s all in for Joe Biden.

In recent years, people on the left who lie and break the law – from the streets to the suites – have rarely been held accountable. One of them, in the opinion of many, is Dr. Anthony Fauci.  Fauci is more responsible than anyone else for promoting lockdowns, mask mandates, and experimental vaccines rather than inexpensive, effective treatments for Covid-19. While most conservatives have lost faith in “Dr. Doom,” it has seemed like he would never be held to account for what he has done or that he would ever be compelled to relinquish his lifelong, incredibly influential, and highly remunerative bureaucratic perch.

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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2021, 10:23:42 AM »
They (except J&J) cause the body to create antibodies against the protein spikes.  But antibodies against the virus itself is another matter.

The Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and AstraZeneca all produce antibodies against proteins on the surface of the SARS-CoV-2 spikes (I'm pretty sure the Novavax vaccine does as well, but I'm not going to look that up). The antibodies render the spikes unusable and the virus dies without reproducing. The distinction between antibodies that render a virus unable to reproduce and antibodies that kill the virus directly is a functional distinction without a difference.

That said, because the spikes are so intrinsic to the SARS-CoV-2 as an entity, attacking the surface proteins may result in effectiveness against more variants than a traditional vaccine that may recognize and attack some variants but not recognize others (the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines may have that problem).
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2021, 10:29:36 AM »
A virus that may not be able to reproduce in one body is still capable of infecting (and reproducing in) another.

 :silly: Whether you prefer "dies" or "decays" or "falls apart" or "Ham-Sandwiched", the virus cannot reproduce, cannot be shed, and if magically transferred on RFK Jr. Dust to another person, still cannot enter a cell to reproduce and thereby infect that person.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2021, 12:32:07 PM »
A virus that may not be able to reproduce in one body is still capable of infecting (and reproducing in) another.

You cannot infect other people if your body is not producing the virus.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2021, 12:36:45 PM »
If the virus exists in your bodily fluids, and your bodily fluids are shared with another person, then the virus gets transferred to that person where it can replicate itself.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2021, 01:12:20 PM »
If the virus exists in your bodily fluids, and your bodily fluids are shared with another person, then the virus gets transferred to that person where it can replicate itself.

 *****rollingeyes***** How can a dying virus unable to reproduce in one person magically be able to reproduce in another person? *****rollingeyes***** Did RFK Jr. Dust magically remove the antibodies preventing the spikes from penetrating cells and magically rejuvenate the dying virus so it could reproduce? *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2021, 01:12:54 PM »
If the virus exists in your bodily fluids, and your bodily fluids are shared with another person, then the virus gets transferred to that person where it can replicate itself.

I would suggest learning more about viral loads and why someone who is infected with the virus is not immediately infectious.  It takes days of replicating the virus to produce enough virus to be considered infectious

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4788752/.
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2021, 01:22:07 PM »
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Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus

Isn't this the essence of herd immunity?
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2021, 01:24:01 PM »

Fauch is full of crap.  If you're vaccinated, you still get the virus.  The hope is that the vaccination process trains your immune system to more quickly recognize and fight off the virus, remain asymptomatic, have less severe symptoms, avoid hospitalization, avoid death, and minimize the probability of spreading the virus.

In the wild, horseshoe nose bats carry and spread beta corona virus without symptomatic illness nor death.  That what makes them natural virual reservoirs.

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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2021, 01:28:39 PM »
Fauch is full of crap.  If you're vaccinated, you still get the virus. 

Basically, 95% of the vaccinated do not get infected.  The virus is fully blocked from reproducing in cells.

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The hope is that the vaccination process trains your immune system to more quickly recognize and fight off the virus, remain asymptomatic, have less severe symptoms, avoid hospitalization, avoid death, and minimize the probability of spreading the virus....

That is for the 5% that still end up infected.
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Re: Fauci: Vaccinated people become 'dead ends' for the coronavirus
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2021, 01:30:27 PM »
Until the virus mutates.

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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2021, 01:32:41 PM »
Until the virus mutates.

Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines induce robust T cell response against SARS-CoV-2 variants
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210516/Moderna-and-Pfizer-BioNTech-vaccines-induce-robust-T-cell-response-against-SARS-CoV-2-variants.aspx

Researchers in the United States have conducted a study showing the efficacy of the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines at eliciting a robust T cell response against variants of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) – the agent that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

The team – from Gladstone Institute of Virology in San Francisco and the University of California – also provided evidence that individuals who receive one vaccine dose after having recovered from SARS-CoV-2 infection may not require a second dose.

Furthermore, Nadia Roan and colleagues showed that in previously infected individuals, vaccination might induce more persistent homing of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells to the respiratory tract than in previously uninfected individuals.  ...
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2021, 01:46:35 PM »
*****rollingeyes***** How can a dying virus unable to reproduce in one person magically be able to reproduce in another person? *****rollingeyes***** Did RFK Jr. Dust magically remove the antibodies preventing the spikes from penetrating cells and magically rejuvenate the dying virus so it could reproduce? *****rollingeyes*****

Antibodies created by one person will be treated as foreign invaders to another.

This point is not worth arguing.  For once, I accepted Fauci at his word.  He stated that there is a very low possibility that a vaccinated person could transmit the virus to another person.  From a scientific standpoint, I acknowledged this possibility no matter how remote.  You on the other hand clearly believe there is zero possibility that a 'live' virus from one body, with its protein spikes incapacitated, could not somehow make it to another person's body, shed that incapacitation, and penetrate a cell.





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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2021, 01:49:37 PM »
Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines induce robust T cell response against SARS-CoV-2 variants
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210516/Moderna-and-Pfizer-BioNTech-vaccines-induce-robust-T-cell-response-against-SARS-CoV-2-variants.aspx


.  .  .  Furthermore, Nadia Roan and colleagues showed that in previously infected individuals, vaccination might induce more persistent homing of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells to the respiratory tract than in previously uninfected individuals.  ...

Might induce?  Seriously?  This is what now passes for 'science'?
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